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my magnus finale and season five thoughts under the cut!

I’ll preface this by saying there were a lot of things I loved about this finale, and none of this is intended to start a debate or fight! It’s simply my feelings about what happened, and everyone’s entitled to their own (and entitled to love/hate what happened!). I totally respect how much others adored this and the wonderful art that’s coming of it. These are, again, just my own thoughts.

I really loved the first half of this. After Jon’s compliance in the last episode (that I found a bit troubling), I was really glad to see that he made the decision to confront Jonah himself and stuck by the idea of not dooming the other worlds. For one, I think it would have been narratively unsatisfying to have Martin be the one to kill Jonah- because let’s face it, while all the assistants have good reason to, this was really Jon’s confrontation to have. And I loved it! The conversation, Jonah begging not to die, and Jon saying - for Sasha, for Tim, hell, even for Gertrude. He never forgets Jonah’s victims or his own friends, and that’s such a core part of his character. 

And I loved the statement. I was hoping we’d get one last one, and this one knocked it out of the park for me. Pupil!Jon is top hot Jon moments, and no I will not be taking questions on this. The soundscaping in this entire episode was brilliant.

I’ll start off by saying I understand narratively why the second half happened. It does make sense to me - that Jon’s final wishes end up being undercut by his love for Martin, and the last moments for me are desperately romantic and sad and lovely and I’m glad that they happened- it leaves so much room for us as an audience to decide what we think happened, and how to go from there. It’s a real gift to creators and though I for one will probably not be able to touch the finale for awhile, writing-wise, I am already itching to write some of my other projects!

But it happened so quickly for me. The pacing and change of heart is so about-face, mostly because of the situation- everything’s crumbling, we don’t really have time for much, if any dialogue. But Jon’s abrupt switch in plans when he was so committed to not dooming the multi-verse, the quick conversation of ‘oh we didn’t trust you so we already started going ahead with it,’ the whole thing was a bit rushed for me, and I think the pacing of this last arc has left a lot to be desired, personally. Again, I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense in its own way, I just don’t think the pacing of this season was the best that it could’ve been. 

What also has been bothering me this season is Jon and Martin’s relationship (again, this is a personal take, it’s not something I expect everyone to agree with, at all). Martin’s not a character who was an initial fave for me at all, but I grew to love and appreciate him so that by the end of season four, I was really invested in Jon and Martin’s relationship and arc! It felt real and organic to me, and it was something to fight for. This stays mostly true for the first part of the season.

But then it gets a bit murky for me. We get the constant schtick of Martin going ‘a statement? Again?’ and this almost constant uncomfortable tension between him and Jon that never sat right with me. He wants Jon to not push any decisions on him, he doesn’t want to hear any statements, he wants his boundaries respected, but he doesn’t really do the same in regards to Jon. While I know the stress of the apocalypse is definitely a factor, it didn’t seem very ‘Martin’ to me, or at least the Martin that’s grown and changed since the first season. There’s a difference between going from being a wallflower to being assertive, and maybe because he’s never had a chance to really be confident and self assured, he doesn’t know how to do it in a way that isn’t a little hurtful. And while these can be normal and realistic parts of a relationship that are in some cases addressed, it’s realistic for me in a way that I don’t feel comfortable with. The way Martin is the one who pushes the ‘kill bill’ arc, especially in the Simon episode where he pretty much commands Jon to kill Simon, and his non-apology at the end of that episode (and the eventual fight where he accuses Jon of being the one to ‘enjoy it too much’). The time at Upton house that for me, is just uncomfortable knowing that Jon is actively dying and by the end, Martin doesn’t seem to realize it until he’s told (and then, when Jon says ‘was I wrong to hold off?’ Martin says no, that he enjoyed the time, and I just don’t think that Martin would ever condone that sort of self-sacrificial shit from Jon, as we see later on in the season!!). And then the fight, where Martin says some pretty awful and untrue things, and runs off with Annabelle- these are all things that could be forgiven, and are! But the apologies from Martin have all been lackluster with a tinge of ‘well I was right, wasn’t I?’ and the narrative doesn’t dispute that, and in fact seems to want us to side with some of his more (in my opinion) impulsive and not very great decisions. Jon very rarely fights back against him, and the times he has, its almost framed as if what he says/his transgressions are worse. I think if Jon acted in the way Martin did for some of this season, fandom would riot. But it's Martin, so he seems to get a free pass to act this way and have it be framed in a much better light. This is again, my own opinion about the text, I’m not saying anyone that disagrees with me is wrong. It’s just how it came off to me, and as someone who has been in relationships with similar sort of issues (on a very non apocalyptic scale, of course) it didn’t sit right with me.

So in the end, Jon goes off to confront Jonah on his own, which some are calling stupid or impulsive. But it’s not to me- this is Jon’s moral compass, and he’s sticking by it. For him to go along with the plan would be wildly out of character, and I’m glad he did this. The way it ended was ultimately satisfying to me, and leaves room for a lot of interpretation. But the way it got there wasn’t really what I wanted. And I say this as someone who really does enjoy jonmartin, and will continue to do so! I hope in a thousand fix it fics they get to talk and go to therapy and work on these issues on their own. But the way Jon and Martin’s relationship was presented over this season wasn’t comfortable for me, the trust issues and lack of communication was never resolved and I’m sort of disappointed with that overall. 

I’m glad we got the ending we did, and I’m going to continue to love these guys for a good while yet. This is, again, not intended to start a debate, I don’t want to fight or engage with anyone like that because I really do respect everyone’s opinions on this season and final arc, and these are just my own thoughts. You are well within your rights to disagree with me on these things! But I just thought I’d share my own feelings about this last season. I’ve loved these characters for a really long time, and I’ve been listening since the end of 2017 so I have a lot of thoughts to sit with right now. But I’ll still definitely be writing and in this fandom for the long haul...especially if I want to reconcile the things I didn’t particularly vibe with xD

Hnnn back to my regularly scheduled posting, sorry for the long rambling thoughts.

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you are correct and also a lot nicer about this than i have been these past few weeks x)

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trust me when i say a lot more people have been disgruntled by this arc and by this season than they let on, they're just refraining from being vocal about it bc they don't want to harsh others' vibes or bc this fandom is just plain exhausting sometimes

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I feel a very similar mix of appreciation and frustration for the finale and relate to a lot of what you're saying. Pacing is really what killed it for me, and I hate that it felt so rushed when it didn't NEED to be. (And I too look forward to fix it fics where Jon and Martin can talk this stuff out. Because they REALLY need to lol)

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@agnesmontague it took me several tries to make this nice because my initial reactions were much more severe gfjgfgj. but im glad to know that there are people who feel similar- its hard sometimes with the way fandom is to really express my feelings, and ive only found about two people ive been able to discuss it with openly on discord xD im glad to know im not alone!!!

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@ghostbustermelanieking yeah i think with pacing tweaks and a bit more balancing of narrative vs. character discussions...it seemed out of joint sometimes, and threw me off. AND YES DISCUSSIONS NEED TO BE HAD jkjfjd

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The season 5 portrayal of Jon and Martin was increasingly uncomfortable to me on so many levels, but *especially* framing Martin as always right—even for things like Martin cutting off Jon’s daydreams of a life without trauma to...try to make him feel guilty about season 1 again? When he’s already suicidally guilty?

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Plus I can’t help but hear “ugh, statement, AGAIN” in the context of chronic illness. I always feel so guilty when I make people wait on me, but the show kept treating it as a joke like a bathroom break when it was directly connected to Jon being able to function and what was done to him. Just. Terribly tone deaf and painful to hear. And I can’t fathom s1-4 Martin doing it.

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Yes yes exactly!!! I liked the majority of what happened in s5 but the pacing... and more character stuff would've been amazing. The best episodes of s5 imo were the character study/interaction ones, and I wish we'd gotten more (/some that weren't just Martin, although I loved both of his)

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TLDR about halfway through s5 I decided to stick with my s1-4 characterization of Martin when writing because I love him so much and can’t bear to lose that, but finding out that none of the issues I had faith would be addressed in the end were—plus Martin being more aggressive about them ever right at the end—that was the biggest wrench

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@dathen wow that connection to chronic illness really strikes a chord with me, and it's so true. it's jon's way of surviving, a way that's been forced upon him and out of his control, his only method of relief, and he's very constantly derided for it and being treated like a nuisance. this coupled with the fact that he is suffering silently with the weight of the apocalypse for this entire season

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@dathen and any attempt at letting out (via answering direct questions or statements) is constantly met with scorn just compounds the trauma, really

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@dathen also yes, in my writing i focus specifically on what we're given in 1-4, because i really cant reconcile the characterization at this point without it going into full angst/bad relationship territory and i cant handle that (sorry for the word dump you just inspired a lot of thoughts with your response xD)

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Thank you so much for writing this! It didn't hit how much Jon and Martin's relationship bothered me because I thought there would be a moment where they address their problems, and then the show just.....didnt. It felt like the show wanted us to see their relationship through the rose colored glasses of a new relationship, when a lot of the arguments and pushy behavior was unhealthy, especially looking back from the finale.

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The Second Half of the Episode seemed rashed to me too, though probably mostly because I also felt that Jon and Martin didn't really get to have a real final talk? I kinda like that martin seemed to be more assurtive this season but it would have been nice if they'd address how he would go too far at times? Since at it's best it seemed like a real sign of trust from him, not being timid?

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I think you make a lot of very, very good points, both about the finale itself and what's bothered me as well about Martin's characterisation and Jmart during act 2&3 of s5. Thank you for writing this!

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🌼🌼🌼 hope you're doing well!!!

i live!! thank you for the nice thoughts <3

cant believe i have to sever my mind tomorrow for work so there’s a version of me not thinking about season four episode three of succession

not me yelling ‘MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING PILE’ like logan roy when my roommate asks for klonopin

It’s nice to see that even tho I haven’t written tma fanfic in a hot minute (almost two years) people are still finding them and enjoying them in their moment of hyperfixation. I wish them the best in this slightly less turbulent time to be in that fandom

when u take ur adderall and suddenly you’re making a playlist for every feeling every character every disorder every pairing

‘STOP WOOBIFYING-’ let me stop you there. these are not real people. they do not exist on this earth in any meaningful way. jesus christ its like y’all can’t take a dump without considering the ‘implications.’ come at me when im woobifying elon musk or something

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